Curse

Mai · Apr 21, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

Anet gave them what they begged for.

how can they NOT complain.

it is the nature of the beast

Yep people will always find something to complain about

lyra_song · Apr 21, 2006, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Now what we need:

Anet NEEDS to sell bundle packs of Campaigns 1 and 2 together!!!

with special stuff

SisterMercy · Apr 21, 2006, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by SchwarzKnight

Either way, it seems to me that, if they knew this was going to be an eventuality, announcing it now is about the worst possible implementation of this particular economic strategem...

Especially since they announced it before everyone bought Factions, rather than after.

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

GW is pay once - play forever.

WoW is pay to play...

So is Sweden's welfare / tax system. The analogy holds up.

macdadg · Apr 21, 2006, 01:49 AM // 01:49

Ok. I read the first 6 pages of this thread, and it all seems like the same argument. My .02

All the slots on an account get access to the new chapter when the key is added, then $10 is rather cheap compared to adding another account. Think about it, at Chapter 3, you will have 8 characters at a price of $150 (provided you got all three at $50 each). Now you can add 8 more slots with access to all the same content for $80. That's near half price!

Spiteful Soul · Apr 21, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51

hell shit yeah.
about freakin time. I must of deleted over 20
different characters. all with at least 3 sets of 15k
armor plus other goods. I'll pay real money for the
extra slots any time/day.

Shadowfox1125 · Apr 21, 2006, 01:53 AM // 01:53

Great idea, but I'm wondering how we'll pay for the slots.. Of course, through the internet, maybe credit/debit card, paypal, but I'd like to see what WoW or CoH/CoV has: a card that you can purchase at an electronics store.. You know, because some of the less fortunate people don't have credit cards..

It would stink if you invested your time AND money to buy like 4 extra slots and have 10 slots(including Factions), and then get banned. $40 down the drain.

gkanks · Apr 21, 2006, 02:07 AM // 02:07

Ok, some of my comments may be redundant. Forgive me for that. I quit reading the entire thing because it is growing too quickly for me to keep up with tonight.

I would suggest you don't compare the value of this game on a chapter-to-chapter basis. Instead compare what we get from the developers against other online games. Other games charge a heck of a lot more for really weak value added services and the amount of game content from each expansion is typically mediocre.

For the money the content we receive is excellent. The Sorrows Furnace addon was free. Each chapter is not more of the same but an attempt to add a new play element to keep the game fresh. They pay a great deal of attention to keeping the game balanced. Many new features, such as observer mode, have not been associated with the purchase of new chapters. My guess is the auction house will be free to all players.

I think they are doing a great job of trying to appeal to the entire community as much as possible. Being a casual player I do not think I will love some of the primary elements of Factions (alliances/elite missions). If not I may not play Factions much but I feel confident the next chapter will then cater more to my play style. I have been part of several online gaming communities and none of them have put as much effort into their members/customers as we have seen from ArenaNet.

As for this particular issue:

1 – There are system resources associated with each character account. By making us pay for extra slots they cut down on unused garbage slots, that would be used if they were free, eating those resources and receive a little compensation for the extra efforts. While each slot probably doesn't eat much in the way of resources if they gave away too many slots it would add up dramatically.

2 – They gave the community exactly what most of us were asking for and for listening I say thank you ArenaNet.

Now my only complaint: if I can't get a freakin collectors edition so I can have the extra dances I'm gonna be ticked.

eSe · Apr 21, 2006, 02:15 AM // 02:15

omg woot i want the new slots now !!!!

Sunai · Apr 21, 2006, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

GW is pay once - play forever.

WoW is pay to play.

I'm going to clarify this, for the people having a complex about not having continuous free content updates.

Guild Wars is pay once - play forever, but if you want new content you have to pay for it when it becomes available.

Games like WoW are pay once, pay monthly to both have access and to get content updates. Pay again for any significant updates they decide to make an expansion pack.

Two mutually exclusive content delivery methods that are equal in fairness. Go with the one you personally prefer.

But for reference, skip ahead to the next week when Factions will be here. It will have been an entire year since Guild Wars was originally released. Considering you bought Factions, you paid ~$100 for all the content/features they've been able to work on. If it was WoW-style, it would have been at least ( $30-50 + 12(~$15) ). ~$100 is much more fair than $200+ in my opinion.

But your personal preference may differ.

Inde · Apr 21, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19

This is not a political or a place to compare countries thread, please try to keep this on-topic. Thank you!

Griff Mon · Apr 21, 2006, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by Shadowfox1125

Great idea, but I'm wondering how we'll pay for the slots.. Of course, through the internet, maybe credit/debit card, paypal, but I'd like to see what WoW or CoH/CoV has: a card that you can purchase at an electronics store.. You know, because some of the less fortunate people don't have credit cards..

It would stink if you invested your time AND money to buy like 4 extra slots and have 10 slots(including Factions), and then get banned. $40 down the drain.

All you really need is an ATM card with a Visa or MC Logo on it....

Tric · Apr 21, 2006, 03:23 AM // 03:23

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Originally Posted by Inde

This is not a political or a place to compare countries thread, please try to keep this on-topic. Thank you!

I was using it as a metaphor. I see that as being on topic.

Bah Lloomee · Apr 21, 2006, 03:28 AM // 03:28

This is an excellent idea. Everyone wins.

Xaniera · Apr 21, 2006, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by Shadowfox1125

Great idea, but I'm wondering how we'll pay for the slots.. Of course, through the internet, maybe credit/debit card, paypal, but I'd like to see what WoW or CoH/CoV has: a card that you can purchase at an electronics store.. You know, because some of the less fortunate people don't have credit cards..

It would stink if you invested your time AND money to buy like 4 extra slots and have 10 slots(including Factions), and then get banned. $40 down the drain.

They'll probably do something like PayPal. It would be nice, though, to be able to buy a card down at your local video game store with an access key of some kind that does nothing but add another character. I guess that'd be kind of like xbox live, where you can pay per-month, or buy a card with a year's access, except you don't have to pay per-month for GW characters. Somewhat bad analogy.

Sure, you've invested your time and money to get say fissure/15k/new factions armor across 10 characters, and if you break rules and get your account banned, you probably deserved it. Don't want to lose your time/monetary investment? Don't break rules.

JiggyFly · Apr 21, 2006, 03:43 AM // 03:43

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But for reference, skip ahead to the next week when Factions will be here. It will have been an entire year since Guild Wars was originally released. Considering you bought Factions, you paid ~$100 for all the content/features they've been able to work on. If it was WoW-style, it would have been at least ( $30-50 + 12(~$15) ). ~$100 is much more fair than $200+ in my opinion.

But your personal preference may differ.

Thus why they added the 10$ per new slot was added..people were realizing that 2 Accounts 50+50 = 100$ (Talking about initial prices not after it becames 20-30$ at Wal-Mart, etc.), and 2 expansions 50 + 50$ = 100$. Which is effectively 200$ and quite on par with the 220-250$ you would have payed for other games with the Pay as you pay system. (I don't think it was ever Anets intent for it to end up that way, but I think they underesitmated how many people would go out and buy 2 accounts)

Thus a combination of people requesting and people realizing it actually wasn't that much cheaper, is why in my opinion ANet went with the character slot route. Plus, 4 more character slots is 40$ or effectively 10-20$ more than just buying a second account. Which is also a plus for Anet in the profits category.

Imaginos · Apr 21, 2006, 03:46 AM // 03:46

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Originally Posted by Xaniera

2 different CDs doesn't make a difference, it's still the same client. There was a thread not too long ago on either Guru or GW Online (call me a heretic if you want, I'm in both forums but only really post in this one) about running 2 copies of guild wars at the same time. Yes, you copied the install of the client into 2 separate directories. Then you renamed a few files, opened some of them with a hex editor, and pretty much began to smash your End-User Licence Agreement to a million pieces. You had to have a fairly good knowledge of what you were doing, and how not to ruin your computer to get it to work. Besides that, if A-Net caught you chopping their client, you'd probably go from 2 accounts to 0.

heehee, do they make you do that in WoW or something?

My post had nothing to do with hacking files. My post was talking about doing another clean install to another directory, hence you should have another set of lines in your registry pointing to the second install of GW, assuming that GW lets you choose where to install said files, which it does

WoW has no "buy stuff outside of the game from us for use ingame" at this time and may never have it, just like GW currently. It is sony that started offering ingame items for real cash.

Imaginos · Apr 21, 2006, 03:50 AM // 03:50

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Originally Posted by warren_kn

There is a difference between those examples and buying slots for GW. The examples in other games are "needed" by players to remain competitive. Extra character slots in GW are a convenience, nothing more. Similarly, the person who is gonna buy 4 slots is probably because it is convenient to have them all on the same account, sharing the same storage and not having the hassle of transferring between accounts. To the argument above stating $x for item a, $x for whatever else, those costs are one offs, no comparison to monthly fees. Even so, I doubt there will be any purchaseable items in GW, at least in the near future anyway.

Sorry but I disagree with you. Extra slots in any game are not "needed" they are all a convience. The more slots a game has for characters the more that people are likely to experiment and play all sorts of classes/builds, hence it adds longevity to a game.

Now I do agree that having all slots on one account is more convenient then installing another copy of the game.

As to Anet adding other purchasable things ingame...we'll all just have to wait and see, however they are setting a precidence that they can follow up on/add on to. I remember sony/verant doing the same thing. First it was name changes, then character>server transfers, now its ingame items...etc..

Imaginos · Apr 21, 2006, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by Fungus Amongus

One more storage row per added character slot would be in line with current storage capacity. I would be fine with that. Currently we have four rows of five and four character slots. So six characters should have six rows of five.

~Edit - Purchase one slot and receive five more boxes in storage with it.

That is a nice idea, though we'll have to wait and see what they come up with for the storage issue. Gaile already said they were looking into something that is supposed to be a free update for everyone.

Xaniera · Apr 21, 2006, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by Imaginos

My post had nothing to do with hacking files. My post was talking about doing another clean install to another directory, hence you should have another set of lines in your registry pointing to the second install of GW, assuming that GW lets you choose where to install said files, which it does

WoW has no "buy stuff outside of the game from us for use ingame" at this time and may never have it, just like GW currently. It is sony that started offering ingame items for real cash.

My question is, have you ever done it before? From what I've read, it seems like the GW client checks not only for a pre-installed version of itself, but also if you try to run it twice it checks to see if it's already running. Therefore, you would have to change the name of the process to make sure it doesn't see itself. I have not, however, done this myself, I'm talking only from stuff I've read, so feel free to tell me that you've done it differently.

floppinghog · Apr 21, 2006, 04:01 AM // 04:01

when you complain about how apparently unfair a special offer is, you clearly need education.

something just about everyone has wanted for how long(?) is offered, and all some people can do is complain about the price. i'm sure 10$ for infinite PLAY TIME - on now 2 chapters of CONTENT + access to one account + all professions + future chapter merges. for a mesley 10$ its a STEAL

ITS A STEAL.

i hope none of the people who are complaining have payed for WoW... that must have been hell on earth for you... 15$ PER month for how many characters can you make on diff servers, when you can only play ONE at a time? least this way you KNOW what your paying for, and can keep it forever, for one payment at a time, when YOUR good and READY of finally getting a job for some pocket change... come on... geez.